Bendy Buses – Demise Deferred

Boris Johnson’s much-publicised promise to remove bendy buses from the streets of London looks set to be delayed until 2015.

The mayor has always had it in for the ‘much-loathed’ behemoth of the streets and his Way to Go! Plan included a few condemnatory mentions too. Complaints about the bendy bus centre around the fact that many of London’s streets are simply too tiny for it and the lack of conductors and multiple entry points encourage fare-dodging.

Any pedestrian that’s had their attempt to use a crossing stymied by a bendy bus jumping a red light, or motorist trapped at a green light by a bendy bus blocking a box junction (curiously, buses appear to be exempt from normal road rules) will be surely looking forward to their removal.

In the meantime, there will be a few less on the streets as the bus companies flog them off to people wanting to get their hands on London icons. We think a phone box might fit in the garden better than a bendy bus and they’re a little bit big to be used as decorative water features. What else could you use a defunct bendy for?

Image by d urbanpaths via the Londonist flickr pool.

  • markle

    I personally wouldn’t mind if they used the old bendies on route 87… sometimes the buses are too full to get on because the passengers all stand downstairs rather than using the plentiful vacant seats upstairs… Ah well.

    The great thing about bendies is that people who use them regularly love them (they are quicker as they spend less time in stops, they have more space for wheelchairs and pushchairs, etc… ), but people who never use them utterly loathe them. Personally I think the solution to bendies blocking pedestrian crossings is not changing the vehicle type but by driving training (far cheaper, too…)

  • Jonn

    What worries me is the Mayor’s inability to promise that the replacement buses will have the same capacity as the ones they’re throwing out. Routes like 38 and 73 are nightmarish enough as it is.

  • http://undefined SM

    Agree with Markle 100%. To all you complainers – try travelling on the bendy bus before you join the sheep. Compare a bendy journey to a double deckers (or the aesthetically beautiful yet practically awful routemaster) and you’ll soon change your tune.

    There’s simply no rational argument for replacing the bendy bus. But since when has London been a rational city?

  • http://undefined DeanN

    When they replaced the Routemasters on the 38 and 73 routes, they reduced the number of buses that served them as the bendies have higher capacities. The danger is, as Jonn says, they’ll simply replace the buses like for like with models that have a far lower capacity.

    That said, the 73 route in particular should never have gone bendy, it winds through some intricate parts of town and I’ve seen its flagging tail foul up too many box junctions and acute bends.

    I’d like to see the bendy kept on the 149, it’s ideal for bendy-dom — a high-capacity route that plys up and down a long, straight road.

  • Dave

    “There’s simply no rational argument for replacing the bendy bus.”

    Apart from the *two* rational arguments mentioned in the text of this post?

    1. Their encouragement of fare-dodging (which is why they are regularly referred to as “free buses”).

    2. Their negative effect on *all* other road-users, including pedestrians.

    Of course, the real question is whether or not these problems outweigh their benefits – speed and capacity.

    I wonder if the revenue lost by the fare-dodging on bendies is offset by the (presumably) increased revenue from the larger number of passengers served?

  • http://undefined SM

    Bah! Far too rational for me. Valid points if a little over-hyped.

    Fare evasion on the Routemaster was high, all you had to do was keep your head down when the conductor passed. And given the armies of inspectors I see on the 29 there’s few folk who ride for free.

    The negative effect on other road users is marginal. Pedestrians can wait. Car drivers can get on the bus and cyclists, you can either learn to cycle or try one of the hundreds of bus-free routes in the city (I cycle and bendy buses are no more dangerous than any other vehicle – in fact, as the movement of bendy buses is so predictable, I’d say they are even safer once you’ve overcome your nerves).

  • Dave

    “The negative effect on other road users is marginal. Pedestrians can wait. Car drivers can get on the bus…”

    Seems like a contradiction right there. How can requiring car drivers to completely change their mode of transport be considered to be a marginal effect?

    And what about the drivers of lorries, taxis, ambulances, Royal Mail vans, etc? I can’t see a team of builders having to transfer 20 tonnes of rocks across London on the number 25 really qualifying as a “marginal” effect on transport.

  • markle

    However if you replace bendies with conventional buses, you might replace one set of problems with another.

    I think I read somewhere that on the bendy routes being replaced you would get maybe 1.4 – 1.8 replacement vehicles per bendy (this depending on whether they are being replaced with single deckers due to height restrictions, a la 521, or double-deckers).

    As there’s extra vehicles, this cancels out the fact that they’re shorter, meaning you aren’t actually saving any space on the road… although admittedly there’s less risk of crossings being blocked.

    Secondly, as conventional buses spend longer at stops, other vehicles may potentially be delayed by this if there isn’t an easy way to pass the stopped bus…

    I will happily admit that bendies are not suitable for some routes – but they do suit some routes very well, and TBH a more nuanced approach is needed from the mayor / TfL as opposed to the current approach.

  • http://undefined SM

    Dave – the impact of bendy buses on car drivers is marginal (as pointed out by markle). My solution admittedly was not, but alternative/public transport is the only choice for frustrated non-commercial drivers. Our roads are only going to get busier, our air thicker.

    I’ll ignore your extremes re: commercial drivers using the bus. We both understand this is not the argument here, merely point scoring.

    To come full circle: bendy buses, compared to the feasible alternatives, are cheaper and more effective at transporting mass populations from a-b.

    They have their drawbacks as you’ve pointed out and as you also posted, the question is do the drawbacks outweigh the benefits?

    A rational man says no.

  • http://undefined Dave

    Believe it or not, I’m on the fence on this one. I don’t think it’s straightforward either way.

    But having said that, I can’t support any assertions that there is “no rational argument” for replacing bendies. That’s surely just a case of putting your fingers in your ears whenever someone does provide such arguments. And backing it up by implying that other road users shouldn’t be there in the first place does little to support your assertion. If you don’t want to discuss extreme ridiculous scenarios, than don’t make silly extreme assertions!

    I think Dean and Markle probably hit on the more realistic approach to addressing this issue, by suggesting that we avoid populist one-size-fits-all solutions and look at the routes on a case-by-case basis.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/mctumshie/ mctumshie

    TfL did ‘consult’ on 38s & 507/521s
    http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/networkandservices/busrouteconsultations/10875.aspx
    If any one wants to buy a bendy:
    http://services.mascus.com/product.aspx?did=lombard&ctl=cargo-transport&prodid={91DA853E-A791-4DB2-8C83-23481E9A699F}&ctgn=CityBusses

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/mctumshie/ mctumshie

    TfL did ‘consult’ on 38s & 507/521s
    http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/projectsandschemes/networkandservices/busrouteconsultations/10875.aspx
    If any one wants to buy a bendy:
    http://services.mascus.com/product.aspx?did=lombard&ctl=cargo-transport&prodid={91DA853E-A791-4DB2-8C83-23481E9A699F}&ctgn=CityBusses