The Tube Train Of The Future

Siemens has unveiled a concept design for the Tube trains that could be scuttling along the Piccadilly and Bakerloo lines in the coming decades, reports Railway Gazette.

And what a concept. The design is marked by a distinctive circular driver’s cab, though from what we can see from this image, the side of the train doesn’t differ greatly from current deep-level Tube stock. Siemens note that the stock offers 11% more capacity than the new trains currently being introduced on the Victoria line and, like the new sub-surface Metropolitan line trains, would have walkways between the carriages.

According to TfL’s pretty useful Tube upgrades website, the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines will be the last to be upgraded in the current cycle; indeed, the Piccadilly upgrade has been heavily delayed. The preliminary rounds for the next train procurement process doesn’t begin until next year, meaning there’s plenty of time for this design, or one like it, to be enter the bidding. Let’s not hold our breath though.

In other Siemens-related news, the firm has just won the contract to supply the new Thameslink rolling stock.

  • http://twitter.com/guy_in_london Sharad Patel

    I like our tubes without the connecting walkways and without mobile connection – Much quietier that way

  • http://twitter.com/topdowntoedown Lewis Cooper

    Driver’s cab?

    Shurely shome misktake!

  • http://twitter.com/topdowntoedown Lewis Cooper

    Driver’s cab?

    Shurely shome misktake!

    • Andy

      i thought that! The sooner they replace the drivers with robots, the better! Less strikes, but slightly more chance of said robots becoming sentient and killing us all…

    • Jon

      Exactly. If the DLR doesn’t need drivers then why should the upgraded tube lines?
      Yes you need staff to close the doors and take over in an emergency but again, the DLR gets this right so the tube can follow. Also think of the extra seating space with no drivers cab!

      • http://historytoday.com Dean Nicholas

        The DLR isn’t the only line without “drivers” — the Victoria and now the Jubilee are automatically driven, with the person in the cab limited to making announcements and openeing the doors.

        But none of these automated services are permitted to run without a train operator (or passenger service agent in the DLR’s case) present, and that isn’t likely to change, despite what florid-thinking Tory pressure groups imagine. And if we think the unions are bad now, imagine how they’d react during the time it would take to make the system driverless.

  • http://pincushiontreats.wordpress.com/ Melizza

    Will air con be available? If not, I don’t want’em.

  • http://pincushiontreats.wordpress.com/ Melizza

    Will air con be available? If not, I don’t want’em.

    • Dean Nicholas

      On the deep level lines, a/c is about as likely as a personal concierge service. 

  • http://twitter.com/bohaynowell bohaynowell

    The only reason that the DLR can be driverless is due to the short gaps between stations and nearly the whole system being overground. Fancy being stuck underground without a driver on the train? I certainly don’t. Remember that the drivers were among the many LU staff who helped save lives in the July 2005 terror attacks, and who have evacuated passengers safely when the signalling has gone tits up, especially on the Jubilee. If you want fewer strikes, try telling LU to stop victimising union reps (I don’t work on the Underground, but have been a union rep) and respect LU staff, many of who get attacked whilst simply trying to do their job.

    And yes, a/c is only really possible on sub-surface lines due to the ability to expel hot air through the train roof (have a look at the Baker St-Aldgate section for the many views of the world above!). It’s very hard (and expensive) to try and design a system which could cope with deep level lines.

    • http://twitter.com/topdowntoedown Lewis Cooper

      Not sure I agree with your feelings on the value of having drivers on the trains.  Many other cities around the world manage just fine without them in both sub-surface and deep-level lines.

      On the a/c front though, I did once come up with a design for a system that would cool the deep lines – essentially a liquid heat-exchanger.  Expensive though, ohhh yes.  Realistically the easiest way to cool the tube is actually to upgrade the electric motors in the trains to improve efficiency and heat loss…

  • Emma Quinn

    Does 11% more capacity mean smaller seats? I’d be worried by this frivolous use of statistics.

    • http://twitter.com/topdowntoedown Lewis Cooper

      Probably means fewer seats.  Which I don’t object to – I reckon three people can stand in the space taken by two seats (using the spaces in the Jubilee and Piccadilly trains as examples).  Off-peak it’s not a problem because trains are never full in the middle of the day.  On-peak you wedge more people in.  Win-win…

    • http://twitter.com/topdowntoedown Lewis Cooper

      Probably means fewer seats.  Which I don’t object to – I reckon three people can stand in the space taken by two seats (using the spaces in the Jubilee and Piccadilly trains as examples).  Off-peak it’s not a problem because trains are never full in the middle of the day.  On-peak you wedge more people in.  Win-win…

    • Anonymous

      They are also counting the new floor space between the carriages in the walkways. 

  • Emma Quinn

    Does 11% more capacity mean smaller seats? I’d be worried by this frivolous use of statistics.

  • Dean Nicholas

    It could mean fewer seats, which most rush-hour commuters would be in favour of if it meant a greater chance of boarding the train in the first place.

  • http://twitter.com/ctrlalt_delight Laura Bellamy

    It has no face. :(

  • Mick

    It’s got no windows at the front either, so the driver can’t see where he’s going

  • Mick

    It’s got no windows at the front either, so the driver can’t see where he’s going

  • Rock

    I like it, but its does look a bit like a tape worm

  • http://twitter.com/AshleyDalle Ashley Dalle

    I had assumed it was a bullet train at first. Then I realized that this is London, and that would just be an absurd idea.

  • Kavinrobert Robert

    It looks like a Pipe on wheels,
    its horrible.