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Shock Tartan Victory - Or Was It?

By Craigie_B Last edited 116 months ago
Shock Tartan Victory - Or Was It?
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Previewed on here a month ago, this morning London took on Liverpool and Glasgow in the City Vs City 10k.

Based on lowest average time of all runners, Liverpool beat London, and Glasgow beat both of us.

Now, we're not sore losers. No, honest. However - looking at the overall results, London's men ran 8 seconds faster than Liverpool's men. London's women ran an impressive 1 min 28 seconds faster than Liverpool's women. So how come London lost overall? Was there some massive speeding hermaphrodite contingent in Merseyside?

The organisers also let slip to us that that Glasgow's course was flat. London's took place in laps around the hilly part of Greenwich Park, and so involved four massive hill-climbs. Four! How fair's that?! We sense a tartan stitch-up. Humph.Image taken from Addictive Picasso's Flickr stream

Last Updated 03 June 2007

Thomas Williams

There is a technical name for that statistical problem, but I can't remember what it is offhand. There was a famous example of it at Berkeley University in the 1970s, though - an analysis of their admissions figures showed that a greater proportion of men than women were admitted. But when it was broken down by department, the bias disappeared - if anything, there was a slight bias *towards* women. The reason for the first result was that women tended to apply disproportionately for the subjects that were harder to get into (vet. med. would be an example), so more of them were rejected than the men who applied for the easier subjects. Similarly, although our women were *much* faster than Liverpool's women, they were slower than Liverpool's men, and we presumably had disproportionately more female competitors than Liverpool did so they'll have brought our average down.

CRAiG

it would be handy for them to give us the full results (without the names) so we could play with the data and be more sure of this...

recount!

sean

There should be a face off between the London runners and the Scottish runners to decide the winners :-)

Triathpete

I'm up for the face off. I ran this and it was the hardest ten K i've ever done.It was more like a fell race. My usual time is around 38-40 minutes and this took me 44. Over to you Norwich union.