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Stockwell Shooting Update

By Rob Last edited 139 months ago
Stockwell Shooting Update
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The Independent Police Complaints Commission inquiry into the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes is appealing for witnesses to the incident.

At the same time the police have also released a statement saying that the 27-year-old's visa had expired two years ago, and the passport stamp giving him indefinite leave to remain "was not in use" on that date.

It's a very obtuse statement, but the Home Office did add that they just "wished to end speculation over his immigration [and] that the statement was not intended to influence any investigations."

But we're sure the Daily Express will have other ideas.

Meanwhile Jean Charles's body has been returned to Brazil, where he will be buried today after a wake to be held at a local church.

Simultaneously a memorial led by the chaplain of the Brazilian community in London, Frederico Ribeiro, and attended by the Archbishop of Westminster, will take place at London's Westminster Cathedral. The service is due to start at 7pm.

Last Updated 29 July 2005

huh?

As someone with "indefinite leave to remain" stamped on my passport, I'm really interestead in what they could possibly mean by that statement. Once you get that indefinite leave to remain, letting the visa you came in on expire is fine. Otherwise what's the point?

Rob

I think they mean it was a forged stamp.

eh?

The story says: A passport stamp apparently giving him indefinite leave to remain "was not in use" on that date, added officials.

Obtuse indeed.
The "apparently" certainly seems intended to *imply* doubt without saying outright it was fake. "Was not in use," is just mystifying, as the author of the story acknowledges or even stresses by quoting the phrase...
But let's just take a step back.
This happened over a week ago.
Are we seriously meant to believe the Home Office would not be able to determine with absolute clarity whether or not Menezes was in the country legally?? Not that I care one way or the other to be honest, it's just the obfuscation that bugs me.

dc

Getting Indefinite Leave to Remain is difficult and for those with no British family usually involves working for 4 years legally on a work permit.

Unless there were really exceptional circumstances there is no way he went from entering the UK in 2002 on a visitor's visa, then getting leave to remain as a student until June 2003, to having ILR in 2005. If he had legal ILR the application would be in his Home Office file, but they said "We have no record of any further application or correspondence from Mr Menezes [since his student leave to remain application]."


There is a more complete quote from the Home Office statement here.

Andrew Milner

To the UK Immigration and Naturalization Department, "Indefinite leave to remain" means if you have this stamp in your passport, they can cancel it if you spend more than two years outside the UK. A definition of the word "indefinite" I was not previously aware of. Similarly for the US, they can arbitrary cancel an “indefinite” visa as the spirit moves them. How can you trust a country like this? Like the US, the UK is becoming rapidly moving towards pariah nation status. Why on earth would you want to go to over-priced, crime-ridden, Police State UK with the rest of the world to choose from? Even before the police decided it was open-season on Brazilian electricians.